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Several years ago, I helped develop some software that integrates and monitors certain business processes. We chose to use Linux-based systems because of some key free and open source software that allowed us to put together a sophisticated and comprehensive software platform. So often, the defense of Linux involves a price argument. More important than the free price is the freedom Linux and other GPL software represent. Lately, I have noticed a lot of bloggers disparaging Linux-based operating systems for all kinds of reasons, from aesthetics to business strategies.
Cable TV - and passive internet users
Posted by: matias_65 2009-02-19 03:36:30 In reply to: Jeremiah T. Gray
I agree that much of anti-Linux movement exists coz they don't like the idea of freedom of Internet. Big corporations haven't hidden they lust for making internet as a version of cable TV.
The Linux Hater's Blog has Valid Points?
Posted by: blackbelt_jon 2009-02-19 02:29:55 In reply to: Jeremiah T. Gray
Maybe at one time, but it's pretty much degraded into stinky stinky garbage.
QUOTE:
I see a lot of drive-by commentards saying something like I’m spreading FUD on behalf of MS. The more I think about it, freetards do something similar. It’s not FUD, it’s the opposite. I’m going to call it COCK. Certainty, Optimism, Conviction, and KDE. Certainty, as in you guys are sooo sure that your OS is the shit, without knowing anything about how real people use real OSes. Optimism, as in y’all are blindly optimistic when it comes to the future of your evolving shitpile. Conviction, as in it’s a fucking religion and y’all go around trying to convert people. And KDE, well just cuz KDE sucks, and y’all try to spread it around to people who don’t care, don’t want it, and dont’ give a fuck.
So please, for the love of Linus, stop spreading COCK"
END OF QUOTE
I don't care why this person doesn't like Linux. I don't care if his criticisms are "valid". I don't care if he's serious or putting it on. We are not the battered girlfriend of the Proprietary software industry, to be slapped around for our won good.
And yes they do get it. Thousands of people who feel thier livlihood is tied to the status quo are bound to regard us with fearseriously and suspicion. They don't want our kind movinv into theior neighborhood; we might bring down property values.
I think their fears are overstated. Competition will force proprietary software producers to develop to stay ahead, and that means more jobs, not less jobs.
The Linux community, needs nothing from the Linux Hater and his cesspool. It is stinking up the air, degrading the discussion for everybody, and it's about as funny as an Andrew Dice Clay album from 1986.
And his adolescent fans are worse. Somebody just posted something on his site implying that Richard Stallman is a rapist. Of course it wans't serious, it was a joke. Not the funny kind, the hateful, ugly, and disgusting kind.
The stench of this is just starting to build, and I think its going to stick to everybody, Microsoft included. I've been in there posting in the past few days, but the fact that you seem to be taking this filth seriously tells me that I need to stay the hell out of that sewer, and everyone else should. Linux users are going to be provoked, and they're going to be dragged down to this level. They're already calling the Linux Hater's fans "wintards". This is not going to win us any good will among the general population.
Surely there is valid criticism to be found somewhere else.
QUOTE:
I see a lot of drive-by commentards saying something like I’m spreading FUD on behalf of MS. The more I think about it, freetards do something similar. It’s not FUD, it’s the opposite. I’m going to call it COCK. Certainty, Optimism, Conviction, and KDE. Certainty, as in you guys are sooo sure that your OS is the shit, without knowing anything about how real people use real OSes. Optimism, as in y’all are blindly optimistic when it comes to the future of your evolving shitpile. Conviction, as in it’s a fucking religion and y’all go around trying to convert people. And KDE, well just cuz KDE sucks, and y’all try to spread it around to people who don’t care, don’t want it, and dont’ give a fuck.
So please, for the love of Linus, stop spreading COCK"
END OF QUOTE
I don't care why this person doesn't like Linux. I don't care if his criticisms are "valid". I don't care if he's serious or putting it on. We are not the battered girlfriend of the Proprietary software industry, to be slapped around for our won good.
And yes they do get it. Thousands of people who feel thier livlihood is tied to the status quo are bound to regard us with fearseriously and suspicion. They don't want our kind movinv into theior neighborhood; we might bring down property values.
I think their fears are overstated. Competition will force proprietary software producers to develop to stay ahead, and that means more jobs, not less jobs.
The Linux community, needs nothing from the Linux Hater and his cesspool. It is stinking up the air, degrading the discussion for everybody, and it's about as funny as an Andrew Dice Clay album from 1986.
And his adolescent fans are worse. Somebody just posted something on his site implying that Richard Stallman is a rapist. Of course it wans't serious, it was a joke. Not the funny kind, the hateful, ugly, and disgusting kind.
The stench of this is just starting to build, and I think its going to stick to everybody, Microsoft included. I've been in there posting in the past few days, but the fact that you seem to be taking this filth seriously tells me that I need to stay the hell out of that sewer, and everyone else should. Linux users are going to be provoked, and they're going to be dragged down to this level. They're already calling the Linux Hater's fans "wintards". This is not going to win us any good will among the general population.
Surely there is valid criticism to be found somewhere else.
Good story, valid points, just one small comment
Posted by: golodh 2009-02-18 14:45:23 In reply to: Jeremiah T. Gray
Although I basically subscribe to the article, I find the acknowledgement that sometimes Linux critics are right a little meagre. Especially when I read it together with the section "Great Expectations".
My point is that to an end-user (like me in many situations) the caveat "This is amateurish software, don't expect too much" isn't stated very plainly. If at all.
In some cases OSS is anything but "amateurish", and will match or exceed professional products (e.g. the Linux kernel, Open Office, Samba, MySQL, Wireshark, scientific software like the R programming language, Scilab, Octave, Latex). In other cases OSS will provide a solid product which however is noticeably less polished than commercial counterparts (Latex front-ends, text editors, the Gimp, Gnome). In some cases OSS software is buggy and insufficiently developed (KDE 4.x, Dia, etc.).
All three OSS variants are precious and have a legitimate claim to existence. Only lets be clear about which actual software package is in which category.
What is needed is honesty about strengths and shortcomings of OSS packages. But all too often one is showered with emotional (angry and ill-thought-through) replies when one dares to bluntly criticize a certain OSS product for failings or lack of polish.
KDE 4.0 would be a nice example. It wasn't an end-user ready at all, despite being called "4.0". It was a developer release. KDE 4.1 was the first beta, and KDE 4.2 the second beta. Perhaps KDE 4.3 will be the of end-user ready release quality.
Now don't get me wrong: I think that KDE is a magnificent piece of work. What went wrong was managing user expectations (through proper labelling).
So why not adopt this rule:
"If you bill your OSS software without further qualifications then you position it as professional quality, and then you can't flame people for pointing out deficiencies, bugs, or lack of polish. If you don't want to claim professional quality, say so up front."
My point is that to an end-user (like me in many situations) the caveat "This is amateurish software, don't expect too much" isn't stated very plainly. If at all.
In some cases OSS is anything but "amateurish", and will match or exceed professional products (e.g. the Linux kernel, Open Office, Samba, MySQL, Wireshark, scientific software like the R programming language, Scilab, Octave, Latex). In other cases OSS will provide a solid product which however is noticeably less polished than commercial counterparts (Latex front-ends, text editors, the Gimp, Gnome). In some cases OSS software is buggy and insufficiently developed (KDE 4.x, Dia, etc.).
All three OSS variants are precious and have a legitimate claim to existence. Only lets be clear about which actual software package is in which category.
What is needed is honesty about strengths and shortcomings of OSS packages. But all too often one is showered with emotional (angry and ill-thought-through) replies when one dares to bluntly criticize a certain OSS product for failings or lack of polish.
KDE 4.0 would be a nice example. It wasn't an end-user ready at all, despite being called "4.0". It was a developer release. KDE 4.1 was the first beta, and KDE 4.2 the second beta. Perhaps KDE 4.3 will be the of end-user ready release quality.
Now don't get me wrong: I think that KDE is a magnificent piece of work. What went wrong was managing user expectations (through proper labelling).
So why not adopt this rule:
"If you bill your OSS software without further qualifications then you position it as professional quality, and then you can't flame people for pointing out deficiencies, bugs, or lack of polish. If you don't want to claim professional quality, say so up front."
There's this misconception in the industry that Linux doesn't look pretty. Most of it comes from these "user friendly" distros like Ubuntu, which are as ugly as a mud fence with cow plop splashes. That's the problem with the default configuration from "geeky" people. They like functional, not aesthetically pleasing, desktops for the most part. If you want to make the inital experience better include KDE with some more visually attractive window decorations. It goes a long way and illustrates part of why Windows and OSX have a larger market share.
Gryyphyn, out.
Gryyphyn, out.
Great article. Very rare to see someone speak so eloquently and not simply bash what is out there because its not their personal favourite. osX is certainly more polished than anything else, and if I want that, I will gladly pay for it. Linux users seem to not understand business and its role in our society. Having said that, Linux definitely has a place as a counter balance to business. I applaud those efforts.
