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Re: Tanenbaum Disputes Methods of Controversial Report
Posted by: Lisa Stapleton 2004-05-21 12:08:43
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Renowned computer scientist Andrew "Andy" Tanenbaum said he doesn't believe the conclusions of a draft report on the origins and legality of open-source software, particularly the allegation that Linus Torvalds didn't write Linux, as is commonly believed, but copied much of it from Minix, a Unix-like operating system that Tanenbaum wrote. Tanenbaum -- who is closely associated with many operating-system luminaries -- vehemently disputes author Kenneth Brown's allegation that Linus couldn't possibly be the writer of the original Linux kernel.
Re: Tanenbaum Disputes Methods of Controversial Report
Posted by: erichbf 2004-05-25 19:30:51 In reply to: Lisa Stapleton
Finally a somewhat fair-minded report about slander that Microsoft perpetuates.
After all the CRAP that Enderle puts out, I am so happy that there is balance here.
Although Enderle has no place as a journalist, accepting money to "study" photoworks, as noted in COLA by chris H:
'However, recently, as part of a project designed to pick
the best online photo-publishing sites -- Photoworks won,
by the way --...'
Interestingly, if you go to Photowork's website they trumpet how they have been found to be the best in a study by the Enderle Group, you can even download a copy of the study:
http://www.photoworks.com/Info/EnderleReport/EnderleReport.pdf
At the end is a disclaimer:
This study was funded by PhotoWorks, but represents the
objective view of the Enderle Group.
You certainly get your money's worth with Rob, I'll say that. Not only will he 'objectively' find in favour of your company when you pay him, he'll then mention you at the drop of a hat in completely unrelated news articles - what a guy, Robert Enderle - Man of Integrity!
After all the CRAP that Enderle puts out, I am so happy that there is balance here.
Although Enderle has no place as a journalist, accepting money to "study" photoworks, as noted in COLA by chris H:
'However, recently, as part of a project designed to pick
the best online photo-publishing sites -- Photoworks won,
by the way --...'
Interestingly, if you go to Photowork's website they trumpet how they have been found to be the best in a study by the Enderle Group, you can even download a copy of the study:
http://www.photoworks.com/Info/EnderleReport/EnderleReport.pdf
At the end is a disclaimer:
This study was funded by PhotoWorks, but represents the
objective view of the Enderle Group.
You certainly get your money's worth with Rob, I'll say that. Not only will he 'objectively' find in favour of your company when you pay him, he'll then mention you at the drop of a hat in completely unrelated news articles - what a guy, Robert Enderle - Man of Integrity!
Re: Tanenbaum Disputes Methods of Controversial Report
Posted by: Hum 2004-05-22 18:17:58 In reply to: Lisa Stapleton
Hello Lisa,
1) Your explanation about the "samizdat" term seems wrong, at least. "samizdat" refers to russian words (self-publish), please see :
http://www.slis.ualberta.ca/issues/sbalazs/history.htm
But it is, in some way, related to John Lions' book, here's a quote from Jargon File (Public Domain):
"
Lions Book /n./
"Source Code and Commentary on Unix level 6", by John Lions. The two parts of this book contained (1) the entire source listing of the Unix Version 6 kernel, and (2) a commentary on the source discussing the algorithms. These were circulated internally at the University of New South Wales beginning 1976--77, and were, for years after, the only detailed kernel documentation available to anyone outside Bell Labs. Because Western Electric wished to maintain trade secret status on the kernel, the Lions Book was only supposed to be distributed to affiliates of source licensees. In spite of this, it soon spread by samizdat to a good many of the early Unix hackers.
[1996 update: The Lions book lives again! It will finally see legal public print as ISBN 1-57398-013-7 from Peer-To-Peer Communications, with a forward by Dennis Ritchie.]
"
Full file :
http://www.outpost9.com/reference/jargon/jargon_toc.html
More informations about John Lions:
http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/1999/11/30/lions/
So "samizdat" can be interpreted as : publication without official autorization, and closely related to freedom of speech... but maybe Soljenitsyne is a yet to be known high skilled programmer...
Googling can helps, it's free...
2) Off Topic :
BTW your (LinuxInsider) registration validation using plaintext login/password in URL is.. Hum...
...Oh... I mean... wrong ...:
http://www.linuxinsider.com/perl/mboard_registration.pl?auth_code=xxxxxxx&username=Hum&passwd=xxx
Please assign temporary passwords, use only an hashcode or a form based validation.
Many users never change their password...
Fabrice.
1) Your explanation about the "samizdat" term seems wrong, at least. "samizdat" refers to russian words (self-publish), please see :
http://www.slis.ualberta.ca/issues/sbalazs/history.htm
But it is, in some way, related to John Lions' book, here's a quote from Jargon File (Public Domain):
"
Lions Book /n./
"Source Code and Commentary on Unix level 6", by John Lions. The two parts of this book contained (1) the entire source listing of the Unix Version 6 kernel, and (2) a commentary on the source discussing the algorithms. These were circulated internally at the University of New South Wales beginning 1976--77, and were, for years after, the only detailed kernel documentation available to anyone outside Bell Labs. Because Western Electric wished to maintain trade secret status on the kernel, the Lions Book was only supposed to be distributed to affiliates of source licensees. In spite of this, it soon spread by samizdat to a good many of the early Unix hackers.
[1996 update: The Lions book lives again! It will finally see legal public print as ISBN 1-57398-013-7 from Peer-To-Peer Communications, with a forward by Dennis Ritchie.]
"
Full file :
http://www.outpost9.com/reference/jargon/jargon_toc.html
More informations about John Lions:
http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/1999/11/30/lions/
So "samizdat" can be interpreted as : publication without official autorization, and closely related to freedom of speech... but maybe Soljenitsyne is a yet to be known high skilled programmer...
Googling can helps, it's free...
2) Off Topic :
BTW your (LinuxInsider) registration validation using plaintext login/password in URL is.. Hum...
...Oh... I mean... wrong ...:
http://www.linuxinsider.com/perl/mboard_registration.pl?auth_code=xxxxxxx&username=Hum&passwd=xxx
Please assign temporary passwords, use only an hashcode or a form based validation.
Many users never change their password...
Fabrice.
Re: Tanenbaum Disputes Methods of Controversial Report
Posted by: cypherpunks 2004-05-21 16:06:18 In reply to: Lisa Stapleton
" In the report, Brown alleges that a course reader developed by John Lions -- then a professor at the University of New South Wales in Australia -- was an illegal copy that was so widely disseminated that many of the free-source luminaries must have seen it and used its code and techniques, thereby forever tainting the current open-source and free-source communities. "
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Um, wouldn't the same problem exist for Windows "luminaries", MacOS, AmigaOS, etc? If people were "tainted", why does he assume just OSS coders were and not Microsoft coders, or Apple coders?
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This is all very amusing.
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Um, wouldn't the same problem exist for Windows "luminaries", MacOS, AmigaOS, etc? If people were "tainted", why does he assume just OSS coders were and not Microsoft coders, or Apple coders?
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This is all very amusing.
